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Ron Paul Will Destroy America
So, one of the big things that I keep getting grilled about with my criticism of Ron Paul is that people vehemently argue that the man isn’t a racist. Well, I think I found the ultimate proof that I need to finally lay this to rest.
The Ron Paul supporters are going to come out in force on this one, so it should be a good time, but let’s hope Google and Yahoo pick this up so that the American people can know who this Ron Paul person really is.
I just got finished reading an article by David Duke–a former “Grand Wizard” (read grand asshole) of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan–which I found rather enlightening. Besides being a former Grand Wizard, but has also been a Louisiana congressman, but he has also been convicted of mail fraud and filed a false tax return. All of this information is available on wikipedia at this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
While David Duke’s staff claims that he isn’t explicitly endorsing any candidates, he says an awful lot of nice things about Ron Paul. He also does a lot of attacking those who criticize Ron Paul. Suspicious, no?
Well, I found in the URL that one of the lovely Ron Paul supporters put onto my blog a link to a white supremacy site, so I’ve been doing a little digging. Here are some interesting things that I found.
- Ron Paul has been the subject of no fewer than three articles on David Duke’s personal site.
- Ron Paul has been praised by the white supremacy group White Civil Rights
- Ron Paul is published in white supremacist newspapers:See here
- I am nowhere near the only person suspecting Ron Paul of racism and or white-supremacy: see here, and here, and here
- Ron Paul has a large volume of white supremacist supporters: ivorypower.com/blog(the racism and “jews” categories are particularly showing)
- Ron Paul has ties to the John Birch society, a group of rather serious conspiracy theorists
- The Alabama Green Party has identified Ron Paul as a racist and as dangerous to the United States of America: see here, and don’t forget to read the laundry list of racist comments
- Ron Paul has a disgusting track record when it comes to environmental protection: see here(PDF)
- Ron Paul voted against H.R. 9, called the “Fannie Lou Hamer, Rosa Parks, and Coretta Scott King Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act”. This bill passed 390-33 and is to protect the rights of Americans to vote, and to protect voters before, during, and after the polls: see here
Do I really need to go on? Ron Paul is will destroy America. As I hope to make this the last post dedicated to this festering pustule on the face of America, I would like to thank all of Ron Paul’s supporters who have helped me to really discover how horrifying this man really is. I would especially like to thank Josh, who so conveniently linked himself to the Ku Klux Klan by putting his blog’s URL in his comment this evening. I really could have not informed readers this well without you.
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Stumble it!
Everybody likes Ron Paul you dipstick!
That would be like saying Ron Paul is a homophobe because some gay basher supports him.
Everybody is attracted to freedom and the constitution!
Nope. Candidates are well defined by who supports them. If we were only talking about one or two normal folks, that’d be one thing. We’re talking about several high-profile ties, and words that have come out of his mouth.
It is an undeniable fact: Ron Paul is a racist (and a homophobe).
my last comment was blocked either because you blocked my email or I entered it incorrectly. But I’ll ask you, what’s wrong with racism? what’s wrong with having a category “Jews”?
What harm has white racist & supremacists done the past 5 years to America? War? Taxation? USA PATRIOT Act?
What’s wrong with being supported by racists? If Duke said drinking clean water is good you’d disagree? Or if Nazis said the war in Iraq was wrong you’d disagree? If racists say drinking while driving is wrong and support MADD you’d say MADD is bad?
You really are a silly hill billy aren’t you poultry man? You must be for Hill and Billy.
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So I guess Ron Paul is a pot smoking anti-war hippie, a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, a libertarian as well as a racist, eh? Sorry, if Ron Paul is a racist because racists support him, he is also all of the above. It can’t be so. Your logic is faulty.
The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul’s message of freedom can resonate with virtually any group, because EVERYONE in some way or another is tired of other groups using government to bully them around.
Also, people across all political spectra are fed up with a failed foreign policy.
Which “words that have come out of his mouth” are you talking about? Is it the words from a newsletter that he didn’t even write? How about reading something he actually has written about race?
Other than that, you come to your conclusion based on the flawed logic of guilt by involuntary association. An anti-war column about foreign policy makes him racist? C’mon now.
Josh: Well, I must say that I give you much respect for at least being honest about your racism. As a completely free-speech advocate, I realize that my right to express my distaste for hatred is just as important as your right to express your hate. That’s cool man. I respect your right to speak, but I completely disagree with your opinion and think that those ideas are disgusting and both morally and ethically incorrect.
That said, if Ron Paul’s campaign came out and was honest and up front about Ron Paul’s racism, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The only problem I am having here is that Ron Paul and his supporters are lying to the American people trying to pass Ron Paul off as anti-racist. The facts do not support this view, and therein lies the problem.
Thank you for being honest and clearing up this problem.
And no, I’m not for Clinton. I don’t really care for either of them. I’m leaning towards Chris Dodd or Barack Obama at the moment.
Vich: I’m sorry if I’ve been unclear, but I believe Ron Paul is a racist because of the things he has said and because of the company he keeps. I think Josh actually just cleared up the problem though.
I can’t say there’s much I know about Dodd, but you may note Obama is willing to send troops to Pakistan!
Thanks for reading and understanding me, I appreciate the respect. But I think the problem is actually not the failure to admit racism. it’s the fact most Americans, like you, have a knee-jerk reaction to the word. Ron Paul is not a racist to the level of Duke or KKK, but he is to your standards, he has not lied about what he believes, but he would not give people an excuse to discredit him just because they hear “the r word”. If more Americans can think, listen, and calm down when they hear “racism”, we’d be much better off.
You can now see that racism is nothing inherently wrong, but you have the right to dislike it. My point is the same , we have more important problems today than racism, so calling him a racist is as relevant as saying he has white hair.
The company he keeps? You mean people like Dennis Kucinich with whom he actually has a voluntary affiliation with?
He was also praised by Ralph Nader, Walter E. Williams and Alexander Cockburn. So, what conclusions do you draw from that? The “company he keeps” argument simply does not pass the smell test.
And if “candidates are well defined by who supports them” then why do you leave out all other supporters from your “definition”? The answer is that doing so would expose your faulty logic.
Again, he didn’t write the newsletter that you continue to bring up. That issue was dealt with over a decade ago.
And I could care less about Josh. I’m black and I don’t care who’s racist or not as long they don’t attempt to infringe my rights.
Vich, thanks. But this guy just doesn’t seem to think about it, but I can understand how it’s fun to jump to conclusions if it makes your argument better.
He can pick out the few racists who support him, and ignore the thousands of non-racists who support him with little or no racist views.
Yeah, Obama is doing a lot of tough talking to try and get people to solve their own problems. I think he needs to back off of that a bit.
About racism not being so bad, I have to whole-heartedly disagree with you. I believe that racism in all forms should be wiped off of the face of the planet. It is a sign of ignorance and weakness. Harboring prejudice against another human being based on a factor that they did not choose and one they cannot change is morally incorrect, and I think the knee-jerk reaction is an appropriate one.
I do believe that racism is inherently wrong, but I will not censor it. Not here, not anywhere. I will only speak out against it and try to educate people as to its damage on society.
Racism is a very serious issue even today, and Ron Paul is lying about his stance on it. Racists should not be elected to office in the same way that we should not let felons be elected into office. Not all racists have committed felonies–I suspect that very few proportionally have–but I do think that racists will tend to allow their judgment to be impaired by their prejudice.
In the sense of freedom, we should not allow racists into office because these prejudices could damage freedom for some or all Americans.
Vich: It is my sincere belief that Ron Paul, if elected, will infringe the rights of all Americans. He wants to bastardize our constitution to suit his racist prejudices, and that won’t be the end of it.
Hey Chicken man,
You are ONE ANGRY dude. The hatred and verbal vomit you spew makes a true racist seem like a saint. That kind of hatred only festers and makes one a miserable (and possibly violent) person, which no doubt you are. Chill, and please do get some professional help. I wish you only the best in sorting out your very serious emotional problems that are portrayed through the vitriol and self-hatred in your posts.
Peace,
J.C.
“I do believe that racism is inherently wrong, but I will not censor it. Not here, not anywhere. I will only speak out against it and try to educate people as to its damage on society.”
You just said you want it wiped off the earth, shows how little respect you have for people’s thought, opinions, and ignorance.
You are ignoring the fact Ron Paul has supported freedom for EVERYBODY, racist or anti-racist. In your “don’t allow racists” view, we can logically deny freedom for people because we disagree with them!
Everybody has their priorities, it can be money, it can be race, it can be themselves. Ron Paul cares little about race and a lot about freedom for all.
If harboring hatred for something one cannot change is racism and unacceptable, I AGREE WITH YOU. I judge people by character, but I am not afraid to say that BLACK PEOPLE who commit crimes are BAD. (I never said they commit crimes BECAUSE they are black, but I shouldn’t be wrong to mention two facts together). Crime is something a person CAN change, and for THAT, I hate criminals, I don’t hate racists, they can change their view if they want, but they won’t hurt me.
In contrast, our government has hurt us way too much regardless of race, taxing, war, USA PATRIOT Act, real ID.
Manchicken, if you believe anything to the effect of Ron Paul infiltrating the Republican Party & elections just to become the racist President. you’d have to make me believe that he was pretending to be pro-freedom the past 30 years EVEN BEFORE IT WAS UNPOPULAR.
You simply can’t. Because he’s stood for principles, he’s cherished our Constitution daily. So for you to say he’ll bastardize it after backing it for 3 decades, you can certainly say much worse for everybody else. If you are afraid the Constitution can be abused or bastardized and better off without it, you’re no better than Bush.
Now now, I didn’t say I agreed with you or respected your opinion. I said I respect your right to express your opinion. Racism is not okay by any stretch of the imagination. But out of respect for free speech, I am not deleting your comments, racist as they may be.
Allowing people to have their opinions and letting them get into positions where those opinions could cause harm are two different things. Such as, I’m a pro-lifer, so they should never let me manage an abortion clinic because my conflict of interest would impair my ability to run the clinic.
Ron Paul’s impaired judgment brought on by racism is enough, in my opinion, to disqualify him from ever running for elected office. It’s scary that he’s been where he is for so long, and the American people would be foolish to elect him.
As far as your saying black people who commit crimes are bad, you keep forgetting that many of the worst crimes in history–holocaust, Oklahoma city building bombing, unibomber, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacey–have all been perpetrated by white men. Until you can see both sides equally, there is something wrong.
I won’t deny that the patriot act and real ID are VERY damaging. That’s why I plan on voting for a candidate that will not only get rid of that nonsense, but will also make sure that their racism doesn’t affect public policy, and that their carelessness or ideology doesn’t cause more environmental damage.
If anyone is a festering pustule it’s this blogger. The racists are supporting Hillary and Obama and Richardson too…
Go DIGG it people!
http://www.janeaitken.org/concord/?p=120
I say Ron Paul wants to bastardize the constitution because he’s trying to repeal constitutional amendments that have stood the test of time and also been tested many times by the courts. The fourteenth amendment to the US Constitution is a PART of the constitution. That’s what the word amendment means. It is inconsistent for one to say that they’re for the constitution if they’re wanting to remove a part of it for racist purpose. That isn’t standing up for the constitution, that’s standing up for racism.
Please don’t bring anymore traffic to this immature blog.
It will not STICK.. Ron Paul is teflon because his impeccable record shows it…
He’s flawless!
The chicken man says:
“Vich: It is my sincere belief that Ron Paul, if elected, will infringe the rights of all Americans. He wants to bastardize our constitution to suit his racist prejudices, and that won’t be the end of it.”
PROVE IT! I think freedom for all is not a bad idea, but perhaps you do….sorry….freedom will win.
NH: Is this the record that failed to protect the right to vote for all Americans, or the record that is preventing our country from moving forward with alternative energy? Or perhaps it’s the record that’s calling for the bastardization of the US constitution in favor of his racist ideology.
The chicken man said:
“It is an undeniable fact: Ron Paul is a racist (and a homophobe).”
I guess I will let the campaign see if you can retract this before they sue you…
OH PS, I love the JBS. Everthing they say is well researched and the truth, because they are never sued as you will be.
HAHAH.
You said :
“NH: Is this the record that failed to protect the right to vote for all Americans, or the record that is preventing our country from moving forward with alternative energy? Or perhaps it’s the record that’s calling for the bastardization of the US constitution in favor of his racist ideology’
Protect the right to vote for all Americans? Since when were any Americans blocked from voting???
Alternative Energy? What the hell is that got to do with racism??? LOL Now you’re not playing with a full deck.
Bastardization of the US Constitution for racism? Now that’s a hard one for me to understand.
I think you’ve outlived your usefulness as a babbling idiot…
None of the above even apply to anything remotely connected to Ron Paul. There’s no ‘there’ there…
God what a waste.
NH: Did you even read the article you’re posting to? Please go back and read it. Ron Paul voted against HR9 to amend and extend a bill meant to ensure the protection of voters rights.
I think this quote is pretty funny:
“I won’t deny that the patriot act and real ID are VERY damaging. That’s why I plan on voting for a candidate that will not only get rid of that nonsense, but will also make sure that their racism doesn’t affect public policy, and that their carelessness or ideology doesn’t cause more environmental damage.”
Because then you are going to vote for the premier racist of them all, Barack Obama.
What a joke.
Such as, I’m a pro-lifer, so they should never let me manage an abortion clinic because my conflict of interest would impair my ability to run the clinic.
>Yes, so you wouldn’t take the job anyway. Do you think America is a big abortion clinic? Or a diverse place where both sides can live and let live?
As far as your saying black people who commit crimes are bad, you keep forgetting that many of the worst crimes in history–holocaust, Oklahoma city building bombing, unibomber, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacey–have all been perpetrated by white men. Until you can see both sides equally, there is something wrong.
>I do see both sides equally, HOWEVER, I have asked you already, that racists have not committed crimes of violence in the past 5 years, small or big. Criminals are criminals, facts are facts. I can’t deny the big crimes, but citing them does not mean I am anti-white. Likewise citing black crime is not making me anti-black.
I won’t deny that the patriot act and real ID are VERY damaging. That’s why I plan on voting for a candidate that will not only get rid of that nonsense, but will also make sure that their racism doesn’t affect public policy, and that their carelessness or ideology doesn’t cause more environmental damage.
>Excuse me?
Obama & Dodd BOTH voted for REAL ID
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00117
Did I say who I’m voting for yet? I don’t think I did. I said I liked him as a candidate, along with Chris Dodd.
Josh: What’s funny is that I’ve actually spoken to Barack Obama about that vote personally. That bill included things such as body armor for troops and Tsunami relief for Asian countries. He voted for this bill on those merits, and has been trying to limit the REAL ID provisions in congress since.
Josh — you just proved this guy is on the edge and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Dodd and Obama DID vote for Real ID. There is NO Democrat running who would protect our rights under the constitution, black or white or brown.
Why do so many blacks, asians, latinos like myself, support Ron Paul? Because we are not looking for special rights for our ethnic group. We just want to be AMERICANS period!
Manchicken, part of him wanting to remove part of the Constitutin has been explained by his reasons, his interpretations of the original intent and today’s abuse, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY his respect for due process. He can’t do it without Congress. He can get into office and Congress can be elected to work for or against him. besides, you can’t let go of the word racist when you say he wants to remove birthright.
manchicken, that’s a lame excuse. The same one you’d say for Paul when he defends HR4437. He’s supported enforcement of existing laws, the border fence was but a minor part of it.
Is this how you vote? You let a bill pass for good things but let a bad thing in it that’ll hurt people pass anyway? If racism is a reason for you not to vote Ron Paul, you can effectively say Obama and Dodd had no regard for privacy when they voted for Real ID.
You do know that the ability to amend the constitution was added on purpose, and that any amendment to the constitution is a part of the constitution don’t you?
I’m going to stop responding to the circle-jerk debate that you guys keep on throwing at me. You’re wrong, your candidate is wrong, the facts show that he’s wrong.
You’re welcome to continue debating amongst yourselves if you choose to do so though. Good night.
Yes I do know the ability to amend the constitution was added on purpose, DUH! We repealed amendments too, amending amendments! So either process needs proper legal procedure.
@NH 22:53
If Ron Paul is perfect, then Manchicken is right. His supporters do think he is a god, and they do live in a cult. Perfect? Give me a break.
NH, your comment made at 22:57 is actually kinda disturbing. Don’t you dare try to coerce or intimidate me into retracting a statement you dumb bastard. I’m going to pretend you didn’t threaten me in order to try and shut me up now.
Please watch that from now on.
Chicken man needs to get a life, and Ron Paul supporters don’t need to give him the time of day. He is a danger to society. His community should beware. I know who he really is, and you would be repulsed if you really knew him. This is the kind of person people stear clear of and whisper about as he walks down the street muttering to himself while coming across as the freak he is.
Peace,
J.C.
@JC:
You actually know Micheal? Because I do. I hung out with his dog too. It was cool. We had pizza.
Micheal is not a sexual deviant or an alcoholic or a freedom hating Marxist in any capacity. The fact that he responds in anger to an obvious illegal attempt at coercion/blackmail (the irony is rich here. Ron Paul supporters themselves not understanding the word illegal.) shows that mike is a perfectly rational and stable human being. ‘Questionably sane manchicken?’ This is what we call tongue in cheek. Or humour.
Get it straight, dont get it twisted.
Hello. I am a huge racist and a bigot and I like manchicken. Therefore, manchicken is a huge racist and a bigot.
Nice logic.
Let’s make it simple for you.
All you have said so far is Ron Paul has supporters who are racists. So that really makes no case against him himself. But since you’ve brought up the Alabama/Georgia Green party & REP criticism, are Dodd and Obama any better?
You’ve pretty much ignored everything we’ve said to you here about what good Ron Paul is against the anti-freedom government we’re in today.
I never referred to him as a “sexual deviant or an alcoholic or a freedom hating Marxist.” Interesting how you chose those words in defense when I referred to him general terms revolving around his obvious anger problems through his posts. Perhaps there is more you would like to tell us about Cicken man?
Ron Paul Will Destroy America and The Sky is Falling!!!! so says Manchicken?
My God! We keep responding to these baited nitwit blogs of his so they can be picked up on google, STOP giving this freaking idiot the time of day. This lunatic is NOT interested in any facts, logic or any meaningful debate. If you make any sense he will simply change the subject or answer with something unrelated. He just repeats himself over and over and over… racist, racist, racist. As soon as this senseless blog has run it’s coarse, he will immediately start anther one with a title like:
RON PAUL PLANS TO KILL ALL SENIOR CITIZENS IF ELECTED!
He will repeat this crap over and over again. He has NOTHING else to do except sit on his fat ass and spew hateful blogs. I already know from experience that any response only encourages this chickenman freak. He simply delights in antagonizing Ron Paul supporters. This is the kind of freaky person your mom would never let you play with because he was so weird and creepy.
THIS WINGNUT IS NOTHING BUT A FREAKING BAITER AND HATER. RON PAUL NEEDS NOBODY DEFENDING HIM. SO STOP IT!
I don’t mind letting his blog get picked up by Google, because
1. He linked me
2. It doesn’t hurt Ron Paul, it just goes to show what logic his haters give.
3. Ron Paul does need some defense for the remaining people who deserve rational answers and some reasoning, other than that, yes, Manchicken is not interested in anything but saying racist, racist, racist.
Hey ChickenMan, I’m sorry I came across this blog this morning.
You sir are a raving lunatic. Your views are not based in reality and you’re grasping at straws to somehow discredit the best man to run for president in a long, long time.
If you have issues with a politician bringing positive change to a country in shambles, I’d suggest you move to North Korea. It’ll be more like home to you after Dr. Paul takes over.
You sir….are insane. Here is Dr. Paul’s view on racism, and I’ll take him at his word:
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
now, if you want to continue to try and discredit Dr. Paul….but for the future, your blog is a joke.
Sir, if you had read my blog post and the references to the hate speech that has spewed forth from Ron Paul’s mouth, you would know that his prepared speech on that matter which you–and every other Ron Paul supporter–so diligently posted in ignorance, merely dodges the issue. In no way does that paragraph actually denounce racists, but instead points the finger at those fighting for diversity as racist. Your argument was not very well thought out.
Chicken, what does the word “antidote” mean to you?
Im starting to think you dont read very thoroughly.
Interesting how the mainstream media (who would love to discredit RP) has not picked up on or asked him about all this racism.
And yes, RP’s quote on racism being a form of group think and collectivism by classifying people as groups as opposed to individuals with equal rights is telling in regards to Chicken man’s twisted view of this word.
Peace,
J.C.
You are an attention whore (like the rest) and only write about Ron Paul so that you can get people to pay attention to your simple and pathetic blog…get lost.
Your argument is unconvincing and your language is amateurish. I am willing to listen though, if you have any further points.
Yes, diversity is racist. Because whether we say diversity, multiculturalism, segregation, genocide, assimilation, they ALL INVOLVE RACE. The only way to stear away from racism is to ignore race and treat people like people. Which is what we are often accused of racism for. What happened to ‘equality for all’ ‘freedom for all’?
Its a fact that all people who talk down on Ron Paul normally have evil agendas. Ron Paul is spottless and liars will not change that. I am sure manchicken is just another socialist that believes in coercive rule and collectivist violence for “social good” no different than the Bolsheviks or Hitler for that matter, but like them he sees himself as good. They brew in one pot together in hatred of mankind and all things that create peace and prosperity. Why would someone lie about an anti-war candidate? Think about the evil presence behind the filth. None of these claims carry any weight in mainstream research on this candidate.
I noticed you also through in Ron Paul has a disgusting track record when it comes to environmental protection: see here(PDF)… does that have anything to do with racism, white supremacy or a hidden past? Wy slip that in?
Ron Paul won’t destroy America because he never will get a chance to. He’s a hateful rightist wacko, but he won’t get anywhere.
I love how Josh pretends that fighting racism is “racist.”
The traitors kike libhomo here will try to keep Ron Paul out, but Americans are ignoring people like him.
Mike, on what planet does sharing your honest opinion make you a traitor? Just because he disagrees with you does not mean that you can attempt to coerce him into agreeing with you.
Please do not ever use coercion here again.
libhomo, fighting racism is ignoring race as an issue (and by Dr. King’s words : judge people not by skin but by their character), not fighting racism with counter racism and reverse discrimination. Promoting diversity as an alternative to racial discrimination is still involving race, thus still racially motivated.
Just because you don’t support men killing women does not mean you have to support women killing men, you can step in and say killing is wrong, period. Therefore to fight racism, we must say DON’T TALK ABOUT RACE, instead of “Obama is black” “Black people are good” “We need more black people” “It’s good to have people of all colors”.
Manchicken, you’re making some progress, you ignored the word “kike” and tried to rationally argue with Mike.
Manchicken, did you not read my post regarding racism on the thread called “Ron Paul and his fascist Gang of Idiots?” I told you about my experience in Berkeley during the 70’s, as a white blues musician.
To quote others, “you are one real piece of work!”
Everyone of your posts contains propaganda (for whom, I don’t know at this point) and illogic.
As I mentioned before, if I even remotely smelled racism from the Ron Paul campaign, I wouldn’t go near it; I wouldn’t touch it with a transitor amp or a post CBS Fender Strat!
Ron Paul 2008!
Regards,
Dempsey
Dempsey: Then you’re either stupid or you’re not paying attention. This man has serious ties to the KKK and he has made racist remarks all on his own. You can deny it all you like, but the truth is plain as day.
Josh: I actually found the fact that Mike was attempting to coerce the other commenter more offensive than the language. I didn’t like the slur either, but I’ll pick battles on that one.
I’m not making progress as you said, and I disagree that race should be ignored. Until we no longer have people with sites such as ivorypower.com and we no longer have cowardly gangs like the KKK, we will need to keep checks on race relations and tension. It is important to make sure that we’re protecting people who are being targeted by tyrants and ignorant bigots.
I’m not making progress as you said, and I disagree that race should be ignored.
Then youre racist. As long as this mentality still exists, so will racism.
I’m not making progress as you said, and I disagree that race should be ignored. Until we no longer have people with sites such as ivorypower.com and we no longer have cowardly gangs like the KKK, we will need to keep checks on race relations and tension. It is important to make sure that we’re protecting people who are being targeted by tyrants and ignorant bigots.
Where did Ron Paul say he would allow these things to happen?
Serious ties to the KKK? Manchicken, either you are a shill for another presidential candidate, (who knows? Perhaps for Senator Clinton, Senator Obama, former Vice President Al Gore or perhaps another GOP candidate) spreading propaganda. Or, you are in serious need of attention; the kind of attention that takes a person with desperate measures to have others look upon him with a sense of credibility, when he has none.
You sir are a disgrace to freedom lovers of the world! I haven’t been able to pinpoint your exact agenda, (although I surely have my suspicions) but whatever they may be, you can bet your last breath of contemptible ineptitudes, I want NO part of it.
I have been nothing but respectful in my posts, but it is evident that you have neither respect nor the ability to assimilate ideas other than that of your narcissistic self.
Keep it funky dude! You’re gonna need it!
Dempsey
Dempsey, I actually find your attitude quite disrespectful. Instead of even considering my point, you’ve already dismissed it. You’re rather closed-minded in that.
Instead of giving me the benefit of the doubt and looking at my sources, you’ve assumed that I’ve got some sort of hidden agenda. My only agenda is keeping this racist out of the White House.
Your comments have been disrespectful from your very first one. I’m not coming up with these ideas myself. Matter of fact, a few days ago someone said I might like Ron Paul as a candidate. So I started researching him. I looked at his position on the issues–based on his own website–and I’ve looked at several articles that have been written about him, being very careful only to pay attention to direct quotes.
My conclusion from all of this is that Ron Paul is a threat to the safety and freedom of both the United States and the rest of the world. If you disagree, that’s fine, but don’t assume that I haven’t checked the facts, and don’t pretend that I’m coming up with this all on my own. I’ve put all of these links up, and you haven’t read any of them.
Just because you put up links does not mean they are to be believed, what you have is not the SPLC or ADL, but bloggers who have nothing better to say. As far as racist charges, you have nothing but what you want to believe.
Just because bigots and idiots believe in race, does not mean you have to lower yourself to them and embrace that idea, if you ignore race and let the idiots worry about it, you can better say you’re against racism. If you treat people (better or worse) based on race, that’s RACIST. Ron Paul is not known for that, Duke is not known for that. National Council of La Raza is, NAACP is. Do you want to treat people like people, for who and what they are? Or for what they look like? Or because they are victims of what they look like?
By the way, I have pissed off Sam Wilkinson to the point he’s unable to respond, he won’t consider the fact Ron Paul’s speech was republished in an alleged racist newspaper was under public domain, rather than authorized associative permission. He like you are accusing Ron Paul of racism simply because racists like him.
Josh: Really? I have nothing that is to be believed? I would consider the Atlanta Green Party to be more reliable than just any blogger.
I’m not embracing the idea of paying attention to race because I discriminate based on it. I’m paying attention to race because people who you support on your website–e.g. “coonhunters”, who have and continue to do violence against black folks all the time–have set out to hurt people based on their skin color. By watching this pattern, society can do a better job of putting your buddies who maintain these sites where they belong–in prison–and protecting those that they victimize.
Just because you want a society where your friends are free to prey on people based on their skin color doesn’t mean that society should turn a blind eye to it.
Josh: And for your comment on Sam Wilkinson, good for him man. The incredible support that Ron Paul is receiving from racists is remarkable, and really should be considered. If we were only talking about one or two racists supporting Ron Paul, or any one single group supporting Ron Paul, that’d be one thing. But you have the Klan, the White Civil Rights group, the Neo-Nazis, all supporting Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is also doing absolutely nothing to distance himself from this support. It’s also pretty fishy when you notice that more than $45,000 of Ron Paul’s 2006 campaign contributions came from undisclosed sources.
Ron Paul is the king of propaganda–as his supporters have shown here–and he is good at answering well-rehearsed questions on political debates. That is where his positive side stops. The man is supported by the klan, supported by the nazis, and supported by racists everywhere.
You can see Ron Paul’s disclosed campaign contributions here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?cid=N00005906
No lobbyists indeed. The NRA–which I don’t disagree with, but they’re still a lobby–Republican Liberty Federal Campaign Fund, the Eagle Forum, all of these are lobbies. Quit lying Ron Paul supporters.
Manchicken, now I know (thanks to Wikipedia) more about David Duke than I would ever care to know. Interestingly, there was no mention of Ron Paul in the article.
Links from your post to Ron Paul bashing sites consist of a “progressive” group from Pennsylvania, blogs from people with no credibility, a white supremacy group, and a link to a Houston Chronicle article which when clicked on, said there is no such article.
How in hell can you say Ron Paul is a racist based on the fact that a fringe group of hateful people seem to like Congressman Paul? None of us are responsible for who likes or dislikes us. Taking your logic into account, would be like saying; because a group of Methodists enjoys, my music, makes me a Methodist. This kind of illogic is as absurd as the rest of your rants on this site!
You better come up with hard, non-partisan evidence if you want any credibility. Liberal sites such as Daily Kos and other minor “progressive” groups are in no way an objective look with supportive evidence. These sites along with yours exist for the reason of promoting their own liberal agenda.
The fact that Ron Paul has an exemplary record with no scandalous issues, no skeletons in his closet, is enough reason for hate sites such as Manchicken Here to try their best to discredit a role model and solid citizen who believes in our constitution.
Go to ontheissues.org to see where Ron Paul and other candidates stand in the political spectrum. Paul’s ACLU rating (a group many of us believe has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights, but that is another story)is 67%; a rating higher than ultra-liberal Dennis Kucinich of64%, Joe Biden 60% and Huey P. Long wannabe John Edwards of 60%.
I knew it wouldn’t be long before hate groups and web sites would come out of the darkness of their cesspools to continue with vicious propaganda in order to support their liberal, socialist agenda.
You Manchicken are just another common as they come, whiny liberal who wants a centralized government to take responsibility for your actions and do your thinking for you. Millions of people like myself however are of the frame of mind for individualism. We are able to think for ourselves and want a leader who promotes our own individuality. Congressman Ron Paul is just the guy we need!
I’m finished with your pathetic site! You have been discredited and there is no need to continue listening to your hateful, “progressive” drivel.
Ron Paul 2008!
Good riddance,
Dempsey
Dempsey, that article wasn’t actually published in a Pennsylvania paper, it was published in the “National Times” is published by the American Nationalist Union, an anti-Semitic and racist special interest group.
You’re lying about my sources, you’re lying about what I say, and you’re lying about Ron Paul’s position on serious issues. Are you wearing your white hood while you write these lies on my blog? If you take it off I’m sure you might see the issues a bit more clearly, but I have a feeling that you–along with many other Ron Paul supporters–have the hood stitched into your scalp.
[...] the not-so-honorable Ron Paul has actually tried to argue that racism isn’t such a bad thing (link here). He’s started to post links to my blog and calls me ignorant when he is an admitted racist [...]
Yeah - remember Hillary and Obama WENT AND SPOKE to racists last weekend and Bill Richardson even BELONGS to the group.
Robert Byrd, Democrat *IS* the grand wizard of the KKK.
Peoplle ignore this troll…he’s a wacko.
Manchicken can hold his breath til he’s blue but nothing’s gonna stick, NOTHING. Hehehee.
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God that’s funny. Thanks for the laugh manchicken.
Unfortunately manchicken lumps two fundamentally different kinds of racists into the same category. He rightly condemns those who would prejudge an individual member of some race based solely on membership in that race.
But there are some people who are simply not willing to be dishonest about their personal association preferences - people who feel most comfortable being among others of their own race. And that is, or should be regarded as, morally neutral.
In fact from a personal integrity standpoint, it is more commendable than people who deny and suppress their own natural race-based association preferences, out of a desire to satisfy a sociopolitical expectation for multicultural correctness.
Actually, if you do have racial preferences like that then you have a serious character flaw that you need to work on. Prejudice and preferences based on race should not be considered sociably acceptable. They are the same, there are merely different ways that people have in acting on the prejudice. Nothing more, nothing less.
“merely different ways”? They are fundamentally different ways.
The one prejudges intellectual capacity and moral character, ascribing what could very well be be false characteristics to an individual within a race, just because that race in general may be known to have a tendency towards those characteristics.
The other is simply acknowledging a personal preference to befriend, date, marry, etc. within his own race. That is a completely harmless propensity deeply ingrained through millenia of evolution, and not likely to be changed overnight by people with a multiculturalist agenda.
It is not harmless though. In areas where there is only a handful of minority families, this so-called harmless mentality can seriously damage a young child’s sense of self-worth and cause a family to feel uncomfortable and even threatened in their own neighborhood.
Just because it doesn’t negatively affect you or anybody you care about doesn’t mean that it is harmless. All racism is harmful and dangerous to society. All racists have character flaws and should seek professional help to correct their mental deficiency.
You’re the one who should seek some counseling for trying to go against human nature. It’s obvious that you’ve been brainwashed by those who disingenuously seek to abolish all diversity in the name of forcing diversity down the throats of people who don’t need it nor want it.
And who are those people? They are this world’s power elite whose agenda is to melt down all nationalities and all races into one big grey human biomass of nationless slaves, so they can be the unelected fascist governing class in a new borderless world order.
Shame on you for allowing yourself to become one of their manipulated sheep, exhibiting the expected, conditioned reflex to their lexicon of false pejoratives like “racist” and “xenophobic”, which in reality only describe perfectly natural human social tendencies.
You talk about minority families feeling “uncomfortable” and “threatened” in their own neighborhood because they are surrounded by people who won’t fake a desire to associate with them. But where is your concern for the discomfort of people who are expected to pretend to a desire for intimate social integration with people they see might see as physically unattractive and having alien behavior characteristics?
In reality, these minorities are equally as much interested in sticking with their own kin, and if they teach their children to be proud of their own race, then those children will have a very healthy sense of racial identity and self-esteem.
At the risk of giving you a dose of truth to large for you to swallow, I’ll just point out to you the real grief that comes with the phony ideal of racial integration, namely when the minority males go whoring after the majority females, leaving their own women, to whom very few majority males are attracted, without mates.
ourplan: It seems to me like you’re just a racist jerkoff who wants the rest of the world to accept your racist agenda as acceptable. Not gonna happen here buddy.
Racism, in every form, is completely unacceptable. You should have your head examined.
manchicken: You really do have a dictatorial mentality. I’ve never said that I want the rest of the world to be required to agree with my viewpoint. I would never use your kind of threatening rhetoric and say something like:
“Race-mixing, in every form, is completely unacceptable.”
I don’t have any agenda. “Agenda” in the political sense is a very malignant term meaning “a plan to use government power to try and force people to think and/or believe in YOUR way.” When you say “Racism, in every form. is completely unacceptable,” it reveals your own agenda. It is people like you who are pushing for Orwellian “hate speech” thought control legislation so that anyone disagreeing with YOUR point of view would be silenced or imprisoned for expressing ideas YOU don’t like.
I’m a live and let live kind of a person. The First Amendment gives you the right to say that white people who desire to prevent the extinction of their own race, by not mixing their genes with other races, need to have their heads examined.
I would actually PREFER to see people like you, who have no ability to resist becoming sheep and parrots for the multiculturalist NWO elites, voluntarily branch off via intermarriage, and take your defective genes with you.
Your NWO conspiracy theories are ridiculous. A multi-cultural society is a good thing. I actually hope that bigots like you and the klan see their worst fears come to pass. I hope for a society where everybody is free to share their culture, and where people of every color are happily married to one another.
The white civil rights activists are fighting for something that no other organization is even remotely fighting for. The NAACP isn’t fighting for race “purity.” They’re fighting for race equality. They don’t seem to care one way or another whether races mix or not. They just want assholes like you to leave them alone.
The folks coming from Mexico don’t want to overthrow the United States, they just want to come somewhere where they can support their families. They couldn’t care less about you and your agenda of “racial purity.” There’s no such thing.
I hope to see, in my day, an extinction of your world view.
“I hope to see, in my day, an extinction of your world view.”
Well then, you need to work real fast to achieve the multiculturalist racial homogenization of Africa, and Northeast Asia. Or perhaps you will be content to see the extinction of just one of the Earth’s three races, in THEIR European and North American homeland.
ourplan: Because everybody knows that North America is inhabited only by natives.
There are only three races in the world? Your bigotry is very telling.
From your link on racist comments:
“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal”
Statements like this are arbitrary and contextual. It seems to me that Dr. Paul is attacking the justice system by pointing out its own abhorrent predisposition to racism. If statistic evidence supported this statement, THEN would you call it racism?
As for Dr. Paul’s alleged “Anti-Semitism,” I believe you’ve overlooked (or omitted) something that disproves that theory. Ron Paul was influenced by great Jews such as Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, who both played important roles in the development of the Austrian economic school of thought, much of which Ron Paul ascribes himself and his economic policies to.
Just because he doesn’t support funding the state of Israel, that doesn’t make him Anti-Semitic. It just means that he, like many rationally-minded people, sees the obvious unfairness in forming a Jewish state, the idea of which is fundamentally racist in itself.
I myself am Jewish. I’ve been to Israel, have you? I have many Israeli friends, and I know just how outright their hatred toward Arabs and Muslims is. It’s all indoctrination.
So before you label Dr. Paul a racist, ask yourself this question:
If it’s okay to support a Jewish State, where ONLY Jewish people are allowed complete freedom, would it be acceptable to make a white state, just for white people?
By the standards of the other candidates, it seems that it would.
Who are the REAL racists here?
Dude, this has been said probably 100 times already, but Ron Paul cannot control who likes him, white supremacy groups like him, but unless he directly endorses the white supremacist movement, I see that as a non-issue. Also the whole (95% of black 13 yr olds are semi-criminal and should be tried as adults) thing, is the only racist thing anyone could dig up on him, it was 15 years ago, he didn’t write it, journalists have admitted that it was a departure from his writing style and probably wasn’t him etc etc etc.
That’s it, racists liking him proves nothing, he didn’t write that stuff and even if he did, you would think that a notorious racist supported by the KKK would have more dirt than 2 sentences. and the whole Rosa Parks voting rights thing, it’s consistant with his view that people are individuals, so according to him, unless there’s a law somewhere saying that black people can’t vote, there shouldn’t be a law that says they can, because it’s a right that everybody has regardless of race, this isn’t 1950, most white people have rejected racism, so it’s kind of racist against white people to insist that black people need protection from us through these laws.
Luke: You and many other Ron Paul cultists keep proving that both you and Ron Paul have failed to learn from history. I, for one, am not interested in repeating the mistakes of past generations, and if Ron Paul reverts our government back to where it was before, these lessons will all require re-learning. The market doesn’t take care of the poor or the environment, race equality is only as strong as it is because of government regulation, and just because a racist doesn’t openly support racists doesn’t mean he isn’t one.
The statement he made accusing pro-diversity of racism are in and of themselves racist. Crack a history textbook sometime.
It’s a contradiction, your view is
‘white people will never not be racist, and black people will always need the government to protect them’ c’mon, is this not what you’re saying?
I suppose the other view is
‘people are individuals and if a disproportionate number of black people aren’t successful, then they are unsuccessful people who happen to be black’
basically, the first one blames the group which is most likely to be born successful, and the second says the world is full of unsuccessful people, and blaming ‘the man’ won’t do you any good, no matter what the colour of your skin is.
So I guess that’s it, your view isn’t any less racist than my view, it’s simply a choice of who you decide to blame, you can blame a group, or you can blame an individual, that’s it. So because Ron Paul blames individuals instead of groups for peoples shortcomings, he’s racist? Even if your view is correct, and white people are to blame for all the worlds problems, that still does not make Ron Paul racist, it makes him wrong, but it doesn’t make him racist. You have decided who you want to blame, that is all, for some reason you think that if it’s white people who you choose to blame, that somehow makes you less racist than someone who chooses to blame the individual, it doesn’t.
Anyone with half a noodle for a brain could research this and come up with a very different conclusion than this author. So either the author has an motive to divide people into groups or they are just totally dishonest.
Do you really want to know where the majority of racism in this country comes from people like you are continually try to cause dissent amoung people. Divide to conquer. You integrity is slipping and on the topic of integrity I’d choose Paul anyday.
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I don’t support Ron Paul, but your logic is pretty faulty here.
You’re assuming that the only interest of white supremist groups is a racist agenda, but actually these groups have other agendas too, sometimes shared by common conservative Americans. For example, the Klan might quote him on his monetary policy or his defence of civil liberties.
In any case, the guilt-by-association argument, while having a possibility of being true, is a very weak argument to make.
I think his solution which he offers to treat racism might have a few flaws, or possibly be a bit idealistic “we’ll all just forget and treat everyone equally” but it doesn’t imply racism.
IMHO, you come across as a guy who just wants to prove his point, rather than establish the truth of the matter.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy: If you can show a single instance where Ron Paul actually came out and said that he doesn’t hold any racist viewpoints without in the same sentence slamming those working for diversity and equality, I’d be more than happy to put it up here. But to date I’ve seen no such statements. Every time people ask him if he is a racist he tries to explain away racism using flawed sociological assertions, followed up by stating in very polite terms that folks like Rainbow PUSH and the NAACP are the real racists. If you’ve got anything to contradict me I’d be more than happy to see it.
Ron Paul is adored by the Rushdoonys, a lunatic family of radically fundamentalist, Dominionistic Christian Reconstructionsts. These anti-civil rights characters are openly and virulently anti-gay, anti-environment, and misogynistic with a Biblical agenda that should make any decent human being piss their pants. Paul is their darling because behind closed doors these people celebrate their White Male Christian Supremacist agenada - otherwise known as the KKK. Just what this nation needs, another dumb redneck from Texas waving the Bible.
you are a fucking communist, go to hell.
Brent: Oh, thanks for the intelligent dialog there buddy.
A fallacy has been spread that Ron Paul is a libertarian. He is a libertarian to the extent free trade is within the US or even among white people. Ron Paul has opposed all free trade agreements including those with Singapore. He belongs to the House Immigration Reform Caucus which supports a moratorium on immigration even for those foreigners married to US citizens. Does this sound like a libertarian to you? I hope not. More like a Marxist or a simple old fashioned racist would be a more precise definition.
George Chell: I couldn’t agree more. That’s why I say that Ron Paul will destroy America. Not harm, or slightly inconvenience, but destroy. He will be a worse president and cause more harm to the US and the world than even GWB.
You see, it’s people like you, the ones who think that an Over abundance of Cultural Diversity is good for America, when we look all around us and that Diversity is what’s punching us right in the face. You’re an idiot, Sir. You have adopted a communist for of reasoning, “I speak of ______, therefore I am a ____.” Your arguement has no merit and no credibility or basis if fact, just “Spin”. How much are they paying you to be against the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights? All Ron Paul is pushing for is the Legalization of our Constitution & Bill of Rights. And people like you try to make that look bad. EVERY SINGLE THING that that man says, comes directly from the Founding Fathers and those two documents. ALL…OF…IT!!!! Now, how can anyone argue with what made this country ..America? Cultural Diversity is what’s destroying America, along with numbskulls like you. Now Grow up or shut up. Either way will help America.
Oh..oh…I almost forgot to give you the “Other” people who want to destroy America: http://www.usawakeup.org/ Watch that and see if you think “Cultural Diversity” is Good for America. …I’m done with this.
JR: You’re a racist if you buy into this stuff, plain and simple. If you actually are afraid of the damage that freedom will do to you, then you ware a coward. Grow some balls man. And while you’re at it, take your racist ranting elsewhere. That video is 100% racist.
I have been through Jim Crow’s Hitler type Ideological Semi-Dictatorship in the USA. I have experience the sick-minded perils of the racist mentality towards Americans. I have seen David Duke’s ruthless efforts to cover his blemishes so he can be accepted as a normal Human Being. Ron Paul is a Rabid David Duke Republikkklan.
oh wikipedia is not a legitimate source btw.
Sure it is. Wikipedia is transparent, edited in a way that strives for accuracy, and holds its authors accountable. Wikipedia is legitimate for the same reasons any encyclopedia is legitimate: peer review and honest corrections. When they find something is incorrect they do their best to correct it. If you find fault with an article on wikipedia you can notify them and I’m sure they’d be happy to look into it.
Or are you just trying to argue that they’re not legitimate because you don’t like what their article says? Let’s not engage in viewpoint dis